SuperDay: Vancouver Whitecaps SuperDraft Open Thread
Today is the day. At 9 AM Pacific, the Vancouver Whitecaps will head off to the MLS SuperDraft (live coverage on MLSSoccer.com) and, picking second overall, make their second selection in franchise history.
The Montreal Impact are picking first and there two consensus top picks: Duke utility player Andrew Wenger and Akron forward Darren Mattocks. Look around and you'll see that almost everybody agrees: Mattocks first, Wenger second. He's almost written on the Whitecaps roster in pencil.
The Whitecaps have the second pick of the second round, of course, and there's a bit more suspense there. Some lazy writers are linking the Whitecaps to Charlotte forward Evan James because he's Canadian, but James was considered a supplemental draft pick at best before having a good MLS Combine and, with four Canadians under contract, the Whitecaps have no need to go hunting for token Canucks.
Whether the second-round pick is James or Colin Rolfe or Jeb Brovsky's long-lost brother Irving, it won't get the headlines. It's the Whitecaps' first pick that's bringing suspense. Wenger and Mattocks are considered good talents, capable of slotting into an MLS eighteen almost immediately, although Wenger has the drama of supposedly wanting to stay in school until he graduates in May. Which one will the Whitecaps get? Or will the Whitecaps pull another Omar Salgado and go off the board?
These players won't determine whether the Whitecaps win or lose next year, or even three years from now. The MLS SuperDraft does not, as a rule, produce spectacular players. But Mattocks and Wenger look better than usual; better than Nagbe and Kitchen from last year. The Whitecaps could be in for a very nice, useful player, and let's hope they've done their homework.
A matter of months ago, Andrew Wenger and Darren Mattocks were considered approximately equal, with Wenger maybe edging ahead on superior versatility. On November 1, Ives Galarcep wrote that Wenger was best player in the draft, and just last week Galarcep was saying Wenger is "widely regarded as the most talented player in the draft. However, over the past weeks (and particularly since Mattocks, after much vacillating, signed a Generation Adidas contract), Mattocks has been consensus number one despite neither he nor Wenger playing any games.
What happened? Well, Mattocks finally ended the speculation linking him to Europe, which allowed the segments of the American soccer media specializing in such things to unreservedly pump his tires (although Mattocks is, of course, not American but Jamaican). And the part-time pundits started to weigh in, seeing video clips of Mattocks (certainly the most exciting player in the draft), comparing them to the technical but somewhat unrefined style of Wenger, and, having read that these two were the best prospects in the draft, marking their scorecards appropriately.
These things build on themselves: writer B who sees writer A putting Mattocks number one is nudged towards considering Mattocks best, which influences writer C, which confirms the beliefs of writer A. So Mattocks is top on every draft board. A good but not spectacular showing at the MLS Combine certainly didn't hurt Mattocks's stock, while Wenger skipped the event to train with the American U-23 team.
Well, the MLS Combine is meaningless athletically: players in a couple 80-minute weekend scrimmages on mediocre pitches with unfamiliar teammates against unmotivated adversaries. There's no grit, no tackling, no tactics; they prove about as much as a jog through the park. Moreover, as everybody makes their final analysis leading up to the draft, there's been a very slight reaction against Mattocks from some fans: nothing serious but a sort of "wait, what the hell's going on here?" as the well-read supporter suddenly wonders how the heck they got into this consensus.
I'm not trying to break any news here; not saying Montreal won't pick Mattocks. I'm just saying that opinion on the Jamaican U-23 isn't as unanimous as it looks.
Now, I think Wenger is the best player available but that doesn't mean I'll flip out if the Whitecaps end up with Mattocks. Mattocks is an undeniably good player. Akron's been a goal factory for the past several NCAA seasons but even by their standards Mattocks has shot the lights out. He's got all the physical gifts to be a successful striker, and while as a rule I prefer drafting more technical players he's no slouch with the ball at his feet.
The only way the Whitecaps can really lose is if they get cute and take neither of the top two. "Wow, Luis Silva is such a talented playmaker and he really blew the doors off at the Combine!" No. Don't do it. Mattocks and Wenger earned their reputations with consistent first-class performances in the NCAA over multiple seasons; the NCAA doesn't count for a tonne but it damned well counts for more than the MLS combine. Bob Lenarduzzi told TEAM 1040 "I don't think we're going to surprise too many people", which certainly has me breathing a little easier, but you never know with these guys.
Ultimately, my prediction for the first two picks is going exactly with the chalk. Mattocks first, Wenger second. I'd be delighted with it, and I think Montreal is going to make a minor mistake.
I'll be chattering in the comments of this post, as work permits, about the draft until I have time to get posts up. Please, do join me.
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I don’t know if there are any gambling folk in here, but is anyone offering odds on whether the MLS SuperDraft is going to be completely overblown and ridiculous for a selection of some decent college players in their early twenties?
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 AM PST reply actions
FUCKERS!
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions
So this has to be Mattocks, presumably. I’m still pissed off; I mean, like I said Mattocks is a fine player, but I was so jazzed for Wenger…
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions
And there it is. The quick, physically-oriented guy who’s a shade limited technically rather than the natural soccer player who’s not quite so athletic.
Mattocks is fine. I liked Mattocks; I just didn’t like him as much as Wenger. I am going to be reciting that to myself for days.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
So, the forward depth chart goes like this: Hassli, Camilo, Harris, Tan, Salgado, Mattocks.
Harris and Tan were both wingers for most of their careers joining the Whitecaps, so they provide a bit of versatility. I don’t think it’s that crowded, although obviously Ben Fisk and Caleb Clarke are whipping rocks glasses at their television right now.
Did the right thing, anyway. Took the best player available.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:17 AM PST reply actions
1.) Do you think they might still trade Mattocks before opening day?
2.) Who scores more Goals in 2012 as a white cap: Harris, Tan, Salgado or Mattocks?
1) Definitely a possibility. However, with Mattocks being off the salary cap as a GA player, it would make more sense to trade Harris or possibly even Tan.
2) Right now, I say Tan, Salgado, and Mattocks tie with two each.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Can you clarify how his roster spot would be treated? It seems like poor asset management to aquire an international in the draft although GA helps. I think Wenger would have been a way better asset in MLS terms, but maybe this guy becomes a 15 goal man some day.
Do you think this may affect whatever the Caps are negotiating with Camilo?
I believe Mattocks will be treated as an international unless he’s eligible for American citizenship somehow, which I frankly don’t know about. Man, I wish we’d had Wenger too. Still, not much we can do.
And I have to imagine this hurts Camilo’s negotiating position. I don’t think Camilo was ever going to hold out or leave the team, so I’d be surprised to see a big change in Camilo’s contract.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Luis Silva! HA! Toronto with the combine pick!
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST reply actions
Andrew Jean-Baptiste is such an interesting player to me. A tough central defender; got that mean streak you love to see and he has a reputation for being vocal. Physically, he’s fine. He’s one of the youngest guys in the draft class, so when the ESPN guys rail about his mental outlook I say “for fuck’s sake, he’s a 19-year-old centre back” and get on with it.
He’s not a spectacular player, though. He can’t move the ball well, doesn’t get up much, and isn’t the greatest cover man. If I were to bet on anyone outside of Mattocks and Wenger who’d have an MLS career, I’d bet on Jean-Baptiste… but he’s low reward.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:41 AM PST reply actions
Toronto really picking on the Notre Dame kids today.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 9:56 AM PST reply actions
This is tried and true MLS Superdraft strategy. Just ask Tom Soehn.
One thing that you can say about Mattocks is at least he is coming from a program with some pedigree.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
He’s coming from a team which plays at such a level that it may have made its forwards look better than they are…
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the downside of a good program. But counter point is that Nagbe, Bunbury and Zakuani have all scored in MLS after leaving the program. And we heard that Nanchoff has great football IQ which I assume is partly due to the coaching of that powerhouse program.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
My article on Darren “Mad-Eye” Mattocks is up at http://www.eightysixforever.com/2012/1/12/2702360/vancouver-whitecaps-select-akron-forward-darren-mattocks-second
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST reply actions
I thought maybe it was Franglais. Cheese eating monkeys des surrenders.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
We should maybe get the Southsiders to vote on this as the official pronunciation.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Incidentally, if Mallace actually fell to us in the second round I would spin around doing fist-pumps.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
two spots left. What’s your 30 second mock draft for 19-20-21.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
20, Montreal: Polak (good defender, GA, astonished he’s fallen this far; actually double-checked the list of drafted players to make sure he hadn’t already gone.)
21, Vancouver: Mallace (wish is father of the thought there, I fear)
22, New England: Bates (I have a sneaking suspicion Los Angeles taking Meyer really screwed them up; after taking Meyer, Bates would be a good balance for their back eight.)
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
So you’d be happy with Polak or Mallace?
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yep. Polak played left back in college but has also done a lot at right back and is good with both feet, plus he’s Generation Adidas. A little small but plenty quick and well-composed on the ball. He’d give us protection if anything happened to Lee and might be able to take over the position full-time in a year or two.
Mallace is obviously a fine ball-moving central midfielder: I think we have plenty of prospects in that position and I’d rather have somebody who’s good now, but at the same time he’d be a very good pick for this round.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Is Mallace a 22 yr old Bryce Alderson? Would he just block him?
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Mallace is more attack-oriented than Alderson; I think they’d work well together. (If anything, Mallace would block Davies, but for young players more competition is almost always good.)
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Colin Rolfe, my mock second round pick, goes a little early to Houston at 18. I can’t say that’s a bad choice. I can’t also say it’s that good a one; I think there are better players on the board.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions
I don’t think any of the Canadians are of sufficient calibre to be non-Supplemental Draft. I know James got a lot of love for a great Combine but he also has a couple of years in the NCAA where he showed that he was a fringe player, and with four Canadians on the roster the Whitecaps don’t need to draft for nationality.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
We can always dream about being a Canadian team like FCE. I think drafting fringe Canadians is better asset management than fringe Kiwi’s.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
FUCKERS AGAIN!
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions
Estridge. You picked the wrong fullback?! Did Polak run over a gypsy on his way to the conference room or something?!
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 AM PST reply actions
And now an article on Chris “Not Polak” Estridge is up at http://www.eightysixforever.com/2012/1/12/2702647/vancouver-whitecaps-draft-indiana-fullback-chris-estridge-in-second
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions
It always cracks me up to see fans getting upset because their team drafted a good player a position they already have filled. I’m surprised “best player available” still needs to be explained; “when you have the best player, that means you have the best player” is not a difficult concept.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions
Don’t you think it matters whether you are winning or not?
Bad teams want: Player most likely to replace another shitty player.
Good Teams: BPA because they are good.
I remember having weird feelings when Green Bay drafted Rodgers in the mid 20’s. They could have likely Drafted a lineman or Defender who would start instead of a 4 year bench player who became the best player in all of football.
by fourfourtwo on Jan 12, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions

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