The Voyageurs Cup and the Association That's Disgracing It
It was theoretically possible for me to assume that the decision to take away the Vancouver Whitecaps' 2-1 lead in the Voyageurs Cup final was a fair one. Theoretically.
If, for example, the Canadian Soccer Association hadn't set up this entire tournament in Toronto's favour, I might be better-inclined. Toronto has spent the past two years whining about fixture congestion (fixture congestion which isn't nearly as bad as defending NASL champion and current best-team-in-the-league Puerto Rico faces every single year, but never mind that), so the CSA made the Voyageurs Cup a cup rather than an equitable league-style tournament. Then they made Toronto play Edmonton, expected to be the weakest side in the tournament, not by drawing lots or any other fair random technique, but by fiat. They decided that their would be bogus "seedings" that had not been announced or hinted at in the previous tournament; seedings which ranked Toronto first because they were reigning champions and Edmonton last because that way they'd play Toronto. Then they scheduled Edmonton's home game at an extremely early time which ensured a mediocre FC Edmonton crowd in a cavernous Commonwealth Stadium (an utterly unsuitable venue which Edmonton was forced to play in by... you guessed it... the Canadian Soccer Association).
They've spent the entire 2011 soccer season lining Toronto's road to the Voyageurs Cup final with myrrh, so excuse me if I don't give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Rain and lightning racks BMO Field; that's not the CSA's fault. And if lightning is imperiling the players then of course play must be suspended. First-rate sports blogger and Toronto FC fan Tyler Dellow, in attendance, told me that the lightning wasn't striking the stadium itself but was "within a [kilometer] or so". Well, better safe than sorry.
There are only two things the Canadian Soccer Association could do wrong. One would be to imperil the lives of fans or players, which luckily didn't happen. The other would be to declare that an hour-old game which Vancouver was leading didn't count. That the entire premise of soccer, "the team which scores more goals is the winner", doesn't apply. While Toronto FC's field staff sat around with their thumbs up their butts rather than roll tarps over the field or bust or bust our the squeegees, and while Toronto FC's head coach turned to the cameras just before the match was 70% completed and declared that it was unplayable, the CSA directly intervened to, very possibly, change the outcome of the national championship which they pretend to hold in such high regard.
They might as well have taken a shit in the Voyageurs Cup itself. Toronto FC will get a free chance to play the game again. Anybody who believes in sportsmanship must hope that they choke on it.
If you're a Toronto FC fan, a) go away, and b) you're probably here to point at the rules of the Nutrilite Canadian Championship. I can read as well as you can. In fact, I can quote too.
It’s all come down to one game. Toronto FC will host Vancouver Whitecaps FC in the second leg of the Nutrilite Canadian Championship final on 25 May (20.00 local kick-off) with the tie level at 1-1 following a hotly contested first match in Vancouver.
Oops, wrong page. Heh. "It's all come down to one game." "It's all come down to one game unless Toronto is losing and their grounds crew can ignore the rain long enough to come up with a bogus reason to stop", you mean. Ah, here's the right one.
If the match is abandoned before the completion of normal playing time because of extreme weather or for reasons outside the control of the host team, the match shall be replayed in its entirety the following day, thus avoiding the considerable extra expense for the visiting team. If it is still impossible to play the match the next day for the same reasons, the match may be postponed by another day, provided both teams agree. If the match can still not be played on the third day, the expenses thus incurred by the visiting team shall be split between the two teams. A decision will be taken within two hours of the referee’s decision to abandon the match, in consultation with the two clubs concerned. In case of dispute, the CSA Organising Committee fixes the date and kick-off time of the match. Its decision is final
That's from the official 2011 Nutrilite Canadian Championship match rules. I'd like you to note a few key phrases. The first is "extreme weather". I think we can all agree that lightning striking the stadium itself is extreme. I'm not sure we can all agree that lightning striking the same city that the stadium is in is extreme, and lightning did not apparently strike the stadium itself. The Vancouver Whitecaps wanted the game to proceed immediately; I assume that they aren't suicidal maniacs who are willing to die for the sake of a game that they were winning but by no means dominating (Toronto had the better of the scoring chances immediately before the suspension).
As for a wet pitch, well, see the phrase "outside the control of the host team". The Toronto FC ground staff did not attack the rain. They didn't roll out the plastic, they didn't try to energetically squeegee the grass. They let it fall, fall, fall, because Toronto was losing the final 2-1 on aggregate. The ability to cover the grass or to at least do something about the standing water was fully within the control of the host team, who made a tactical decision to try and get the game canceled. It was disgraceful and it was completely undisguised.
If Toronto FC thought the match was unsafe, they were will within their rights to forfeit. Had they made even the barest good-faith effort to dry the field, they would have had a moral leg to stand on. As it is they were unabashedly trying to overturn a game that was going against them and the Canadian Soccer Association went along with it.
Two years ago, I attended a game between the Whitecaps and the Puerto Rico Islanders at Swangard Stadium. I lived in Victoria at the time so it was rare for me to get to games in Vancouver. But rain clouds were threatening and soon an electrical storm hit. We sheltered under the grandstand for over two hours while we waited for the storm to clear. When it did so, the Whitecaps came out and won the game 4-2 after the stoppage. There was standing water on the field when play finally resumed. Nobody died. I was only watching this game on television but I can assure you that it looked no more ferocious than the 2009 game I'm referring to: besides, you don't need me to say that Vancouver is known for the quantity of its rain.
You may ask "what could the CSA do"? They could acknowledge Toronto's attempt to cheat, for one, and say that they could either forfeit or get back onto the field they were trying to ruin. Or they could ignore their competition rule, the one which goes on about they have to replay the game for financial reasons. It's not like the CSA has never changed a rule on the fly before. Hell, they've already changed the rules governing the format of this tournament on the fly when FC Edmonton came around and they decided to turn it into a seeded cup. They've already altered the rules to try and make the game fairer, restricting Toronto from using the twelve extra players on their roster who are in town. That's nowhere in the rule book but they did it anyway because it's fair. So why couldn't they resume the game Thursday morning (if safe) from the 60th minute with the score Toronto FC 0, Vancouver Whitecaps 1. Give Toronto the chance to win the Voyageurs Cup honourably on the field of play. Don't give them a do-over.
Because right now, the Voyageurs Cup is perilously close to becoming just another tinpot trophy straight out of the Soviet Union, and it's the Canadian Soccer Association's fault.
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Two years ago, I attended a game between the Whitecaps and the Puerto Rico Islanders at Swangard Stadium. I lived in Victoria at the time so it was rare for me to get to games in Vancouver. But rain clouds were threatening and soon an electrical storm hit. We sheltered under the grandstand for over two hours while we waited for the storm to clear. When it did so, the Whitecaps came out and won the game 4-2 after the stoppage. There was standing water on the field when play finally resumed. Nobody died.
Well, that sounds totally reasonable. Nobody died, so let’s ignore lightning from here on out.
You should become your town’s fire chief.
way to read the whole post there buddy
DCU supporter with no dog in the fight but it’s pretty clear who got screwed over here
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by ClingingMars on May 25, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny you got to the third-last paragraph and missed this bit.
If you’re a Toronto FC fan, a) go away
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by Benjamin Massey on May 25, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t mean to throw a differing voice into your echo chamber.
by Rudi Schuller on May 25, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
for the record i was at the puerto rico game. They stopped it when the lightning approached as per weather bureau. In fact after they stopped it the lighting hit the pitch. They followed fifa guidelines about severity , min duration of wait after lightning etc game resumed when 30 min passed with no lightning (it took 4 tries), two hours later in pouring rain they played. Seems tfc organization and csa threw in the towel early…
by RHM on May 25, 2011 11:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There is still lightning going on in the Toronto area right now.
Should they still be waiting it out?
by Rudi Schuller on May 25, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
There were still lightning strikes in the area at 8am Eastern.
by Rudi Schuller on May 26, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would you take it that way?
Seriously, what would I have to gain by bullshitting about this? There were electrical storms in TORONTO all night long.
I was one of the idiots who stood under aluminum stands for two hours last night as lightning was flashing overhead. In that time, the pitch also became waterlogged (no drainage system can handle the onslaught of rain that happened and is STILL happening here).
Don’t believe me? Look at The Weather Network’s current forecast: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0696?ref=homemap
There is no grand conspiracy. Sorry to disappoint you.
by Rudi Schuller on May 26, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No conspiracy just some poor judgement under the guise of “playing it safe”. You boys should come play soccer in Vancouver where our kids season start in the rain in September. The positive thing about this is before i was struggling to dislike TFC and hence partake in the rivalry that we are supposed to have…now a irish pox on all things related to TFC :) Now it will be more fun this year
by RHM on May 26, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Yeah, come out to Vancouver where we play soccer in lightning storms”
/rolls eyes
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How is it that you manage to come onto a site that supports your opposition after your team catches what was, at best, the mother of all lucky breaks, and still come off holier-than-thou? If I went to the U-Sector board and started talking about what a bunch of lucky skunks you guys are and how much you deserve to lose I like to think I’d get my head torn off.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 25, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Whitecaps fan:
You clearly did not read Rudi Schuller’s post, fifteen minutes before yours. These are footballers, not soldiers. And even soldiers are given opportunities to, you know, maintain the sanctity of their lives for their profession.
Sure I did. I also know the Whitecaps wanted to play. I’m presuming that these guys, for whom soccer is their profession, are not so enamoured with their job that they desire to commit suicide for it. The lightning wasn’t hitting the stands of the field.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 26, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re more than welcome to share your thoughts on the U-Sector board, Ben.
If you don’t like my comments in here, perhaps you should disallow comments on your posts, or scribble your thoughts on the wall of your apartment, but we both know that posting stuff on the Internet allows anyone and everyone to read and respond in kind.
It’s your assertion that the game shouldn’t have been called unless lightning hit the stadium or stands. In other words, you want people to be within feet of being struck. I’m calling BS on that.
You can say that’s a holier-than-thou attitude, but you should take a long look in the mirror (and your posts / tweets) before throwing such a loaded term around.
Cheers.
by Rudi Schuller on May 26, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
i sure I am welcome on the U-Sector board, Rudi. Actually, I think I have posted there a couple times though I’m not quite sure why; probably some old Maple Leaf Forever post that I noticed had been linked to from there.
However, let’s suppose this game was happening in Vancouver, Toronto got an early lead, had one hand on the cup, and due to lightning the game was ordered to be replayed in the 60th minute. (People may not believe me when I say this, but I think that would be a travesty every bit as immense as this one.) I would not then come on the U-Sector board the same day and start talking about how the people who were upset are wrong, or imply they don’t care if fans or players get hit by lightning so long as they get their Cup.
I’m usually happy to argue with you, Rudi; you can probably tell from the fact that whenever you’re here I enthusiastically argue with you.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 26, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know why you keep bringing up the U-Sector board, as that’s a false analogy.
The Vancouver equivalent of the U-Sector board is the Southsiders board. Have you seen me post anything over there in recent weeks?
If you can’t take criticism of your posts on a public sports blog, then just stop writing right now.
by Rudi Schuller on May 26, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I would not then come on the U-Sector board the same day and start talking about how the people who were upset are wrong, or imply they don’t care if fans or players get hit by lightning so long as they get their Cup.
Maybe not. We don’t know. But what I do know is that if this post was written in your scenario that you’d laugh long and hard.
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Voyager Cup postponement
What can you say? I guess we can’t believe the dwellers at the centre of the universe can control the weather but let’s also not believe that fairness and the pursuit of sportsmanship has a pulse at the CSA. Take heart Vancouverites we can win whatever obstacles the CSA put in our path. At the end of the day, as aggrieved we might feel, this will pass and take heart that the Trolls of Toronto will forever have to live with the Leafs!!!!!!!
It’s good to realise that the tinfoil hat wearers in Vancouver support other local sports teams as well.
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Precedents from across the ocean
There are precedents for how to sportingly start the next game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAMK7EMKMx4
see original article in Guardian here: http://bit.ly/ij3UHi
of course
Forest blew the game. so typical
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by ClingingMars on May 25, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
When Aron Winter was screaming hysterically that the game needed to be canceled, when Toronto FC was refusing to send out their grounds crew, when they were shouting down the Vancouver Whitecaps quite convinced conditions were safe, I lost any expectation that Toronto would be sportsmanlike.
I would be very happy to be wrong.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 25, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Whitecaps thought the conditions were safe? Gee, I wonder why Ben?
Lightning struck at the 40th minute mark close enough that at any other level of sports the game would have been stopped. They trotted the teams back out after waiting the 30 minutes for no lightning that you said were required in the PR-VAN game, played 15 more, and then lightning struck at consistent intervals and closer and closer to the stadium until they cancelled the game.
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That City-Forest game was real class. It would require a lot of Toronto to do that, but I will praise them high if they do. But if they don’t, they are true scum.
by Chris Corrigan on May 25, 2011 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
But if they don’t, they are true scum.
Just like how we expect that all hockey teams that see opposition goals called back when it’s clear it was in proceed to pop the puck into their own net.
Vancouver got unlucky with the weather. Cry all you want but it will just make Whitecaps fans look childish for whining about the preset rules when they eventually win anyway.
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By the way, this probably goes without saying, but my post from earlier today about supporting Toronto in the Champions League is now inoperative. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 25, 2011 11:04 PM PDT reply actions
In another thread i was talking about how i was having a hard time hating tfc…now fuck them all. Lets win this tomorrow.
by RHM on May 25, 2011 11:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Here’s what I’m getting out of this blog over the past week:
1. You don’t think the Whitecaps can win at Toronto. So, you spend the entire week complaining about how terrible Vancouver played at home, how awful it was, and how the rapture happened at Empire Field for those wearing white.
2. When the game is called for player and spectator safety based upon the rules that the squads have agreed (!) to play under, you put your tin foil hat on to piss and moan about how we’ve been robbed.
I generally feel disappointed by the things that you write, but this blog has officially made me extremely embarrassed to support the Whitecaps.
Adam this is a blog, and as such is in general an outlet for a single person to express themselves. The fact that a blog can make you feel shame, joy, pride, in any way change how you feel towards being a fan of your team, is sad actually but hey that is what is great about the blogspace you can actually chose not to read.
by RHM on May 26, 2011 2:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I love this argument that “well, the clubs agreed to play under the rules, that means the fans can’t complain.” I never agreed to the rules. I’m not Paul Barber, you may have noticed. And even if I did, that’s bullshit. We can’t complain about corruption in CONCACAF because we agreed to take part? Of course not.
I fully own up to bad prognostication thinking that the team which has yet to beat MLS opposition on the road probably wouldn’t beat this MLS opposition on the road. I never said we played badly at home; quite the contrary, I said we played quite well but it wasn’t good enough.
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by Benjamin Massey on May 26, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
1. The fact that Ben was down on the chances of an away team winning embarrasses you? Y’know, the same team that has 1 whole point on the road in the MLS this season? It upsets you? If you want rah-rah the Caps will never lose chatter, this probably isn’t the place.
2. The game was called in a situation where one team has a vested interest in the game not continuing. It was called after consultations with both coaches, one of whom said “play on” and the other who said “stop the game.” There was no consensus. Unless you want to accuse Teitur of willingly endangering his players, there is just no way to say that doesn’t stink to high heaven. Further, as Ben noted, the grounds crew at BMO did nothing; they didn’t even try. Why weren’t they called? Convenient to say the least.
The test will be on July 2nd then. Frankly, even if TFC puts the ball in their own net at the start of the game, unless they all just sit down on the pitch until the 60’ min, Toronto will have gained. We lose the advantage of a goal. We lose the advantage of most of a game gone. We lose the advantage of a TFC that played the weekend prior when we didn’t. That’s a lot to lose for no better reason than a judgement call by the opposing coach.
I never said that I would rather see blind homerism out of a mere blog. I was just pointing out the hilarity of Ben’s doom-and-gloom attitude leading up to the match transforming into a whiny sense of entitlement. Sure, Benjamin Massey never agreed to play the match under CSA’s rules and regulations, but Benjamin Massey is (thankfully) not representative of Whitecaps FC.
I’m also unsure of why TFCs grounds crew keeps on popping up in this discussion. I thought it was pretty clear to all parties involved that the game was called due to the lightning, not the heavy rains. I’m not disagreeing with the fact that a full replay is questionable and that this rule needs to be looked at, but we have to realise that it won’t be changed unless Canada’s four major clubs actually want to change the regulations.
Neutral perspective
I watched the game last night from down here figuring I’d see something dramatic. I was hoping for actual soccer drama, but I guess this will have to do.
I should start by noting that I have no specific hate for either Toronto FC or the Whitecaps. You are both trying to steal trophies that are DC United’s by right, I suppose, but you haven’t done anything to us of note, and both sets of fans seem to be respectable.
On one hand, I felt that Toronto was entirely too eager to get the game called. It reminded me of something that used to happen when I was a kid. We’d have Nintendo tournaments in various games, and there was one kid in the neighborhood that, if he found himself losing with time or energy running down, would throw his controller at the Nintendo itself. Usually, it would freeze or reset the game, and he’d demand a replay from the start. We stopped letting him play after seeing this a few times, because even as kids we saw that this was unfair and really rather sad.
From what I could see (not being privy to things behind closed doors, etc), TFC’s motivation was not player safety, but instead a chance to take a mulligan and replay the game at 0-0. It was unseemly. I have of late developed a distaste for Aron Winter in general, since he always seems to be in mid-complaint. This added to that feeling. If Toronto were genuinely worried about player safety, then fine. It just didn’t come across that way at all.
On the other hand, the rules apparently require the game to go to the 65th minute. That seems like an odd choice; with an hour gone, the game is 2/3 done. All other outdoor sports that have such provisions consider a game official once it’s over halfway done, if I’m not mistaken. The CSA’s rule is an odd one, and in this case it’s particularly brutal on Vancouver. Nonetheless, just because a rule sucks doesn’t mean changing it on the fly is the right call. MLS’s early days of being derided as Calvinball come to mind; if you’re going to change the rules, you have to change them outside of the competition. The rules as written were awfully harsh on Vancouver, but that’s just bad luck.
This 65th minute provision might also explain why TFC’s desire to not play grew throughout the second half, especially when you throw in the fact that Toronto had the luxury of attacking the end of BMO’s field that had held up much better. If there was going to be a goal in those last 30 minutes, it was almost certainly going to be a goal for the Reds.
It’s funny, because you’d almost have thought Vancouver would be lobbying to end the game and call it a result given the pressure they were coming under and the puddle that was killing their attacks down the left wing (why they kept going that way, and why Chiumiento was left out there rather than switched to the more playable right side, is a question for another time). The roles here should have been opposite.
There is also a certain irony that should TFC eventually win the Cup, they will almost certainly encounter worse field conditions in the CCL. I doubt Real Esteli’s field drains well, and they’re in the tropics. Get past them – assuming Esteli does get into the tournament; last year, CONCACAF didn’t allow any Nicaraguan clubs in due to stadium issues – and they’d be looking at trips to Tauro FC (who likely have to play CCL games at Estadio Rommel Fernandez, which is notoriously bad at draining) and possibly Alianza of El Salvador (DCU played a CCL qualifier there, and no one was surprised that the conditions included standing water). If not Alianza, then they’d play FC Dallas, who have had lengthy weather delays in their last 2 home games.
Ultimately, I find my neutral interest in this now becoming a mild hope for Vancouver to advance.The odd rule and the bad luck at not getting 5 more minutes in are part of it, but mostly I just didn’t like TFC’s pathetic attitude about the whole thing. If you’re going to hide behind player safety, you can at least be convincing about it. I would be very surprised to find credible evidence that Winter and co. weren’t just picking up their ball and going home, and using safety as an excuse.
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Well reasoned. There is no 65 minute rule in the Canadian Championsip. The way the rules are written, if the game were called at 5-0 in the 89’ minute, the game starts 0-0 with a full 90’ to play.
While I agree with you that tournament rules should be set outside of the tournament, I also think that sportsmanship matters here. The rules themselves are nutral, but the decision by the losing team to pull off the field without consequence is not. The fact that the CSA had to consult with the teams says that they didn’t bring down the hammer on their own, there was debate. And the end decision was one that greatly affects the legitimacy of tournament. At this point, all there is to hope for is a Whitecap victory on July 2nd. And some itchy, painful-but-not-dangerous disease for Aron Winters.
65th minute
TFC’s chat was very insistent that the 65th minute thing was a set-in-stone regulation. Not taking sides, just clarifying why I leaned on that statement.
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by ChestRockwell on May 26, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s nothing in the NCC regulations about that. The only hit for “65” in the document is that rosters must be submitted 65 minutes before kickoff. Rule 12 (quoted in the original post, second block quote) also seems pretty clear.
If it there were a 65 minute rule, that would make me hate Winters all the more, he would have been seeing how he faired up to then, and pulled out when it wasn’t a good result. At least if there is no set time limit, that option isn’t there.
Think about what you're saying for a sec
You want them to wait until Lightning hit the stadium before canceling…. Think about that one real hard….
by Maple Leafs HotStove on May 26, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone who was at the game can attest to the fact that it probably should’ve been canceled in the 40th minute, when the first lightning flashes occurred.
by Maple Leafs HotStove on May 26, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, all the Toronto fans felt that way after the goal at 17 minutes, no doubt . . .
Since “anyone who was at the game” includes Toronto fans, and well, more Toronto fans, that’s not really an objective group. For an objective observer, read the comments of the DC United fan above.
I agree, the CSA blew it.
They made a farce out of this cup. There were 30 minutes where people stood around. There were 15 minutes played. 30 + 15 = 45.
I particularly appreciate the neutral observations of the DC United fan. If Toronto were serious about the weather, they could have done something for 45 minutes. The game was not called for rain, but for lightning. At 10:00/7:00. When the game would have been ending anyway if they’d started the second half at 9:15/7:15.
The game was not called for rain, but for lightning. At 10:00/7:00. When the game would have been ending anyway if they’d started the second half at 9:15/7:15.
A very good point I wish I’d made. Dave Gantar (spits).
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by Benjamin Massey on May 26, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Setting the expectation that Toronto will give back that goal
at the beginning of the replay will make them seem all the more douchey when they don’t.
I certainly have that expectation.
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IF TFC had any honor
They would kick a ball into their goal at the begining of the rematch. They still get the advantage of 90 more minutes to cacth up rather than just 30 minutes but at least they give Vancouver their goal back.
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Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
Vancouver’s goal was a huge lucky break and the lighting and storm were Toronto’s lucky break.
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So here's another question...
What happens to the yellow’s accumulated? It seems only fitting that they be wiped from the record, since that game never happened. I don’t see anything in particular in the NCC rules relating to this, other than the horrendous rule 12.
But then I got thinking: what if a straight red had been given for some extreme tackle? What if player A broke player B’s leg with a bad slide, and got sent off. Would player A be allowed back for this rematch? Especially assuming player B would be out? I don’t know (and thankfully this stuff is all “what if,” although DeGuzman could have been red carded for the deliberate hand ball to stop the break away, though that would have just been another stolen goal.)
Since the game's abandoned
the cautions/ejections couldn’t have any effect. Also, the player’s broken leg would be magically healed.
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I agree with Ben on this 100%
and that’s the first and last time I will ever say that. Ever.
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